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radiantbabyRewatching 'Vampires of Venice' and it occurs to me that while part of me really likes when Rory says to the Doctor:
"You know what’s dangerous about you? It’s not that you make people take risks, it’s that you make them want to impress you. You make it so they don’t want to let you down. You have no idea how dangerous you make people to themselves when you’re around."
...I'm not sure it makes sense narratively. I mean, how would Rory know that about the Doctor's past and how things have been with his companions? Yes, he can probably extrapolate that being the case for Amy wanting to impress him, but it sounds bigger than that, like he's dropping some big meta on Eleven about the whole Doctor/Companion dynamic.
Hmm.
(Funny, that leap of logic gets quite over-looked in fandom while people can't seem to let go of the Amy-making-a-Star-Whale-and-Time-Lord-comparison. Both are equally problematic in ways, but then I think more people are out there looking for issues with Amy than they are with Rory. But that's a rant for another time.)
And, by the way, speaking of Rory, while I actually like him, he's quite passive-aggressive about the whole kissing incident and generally controlling of Amy in this episode in a way that makes me uncomfortable. I get that he's a bit upset with her over the kiss (which, considering, feels weird coming from a guy who just had a stripper at his stag-night), but the way he handles it is just a bit squicky. He's better by the end though, so that's good. And I want to like him, I do, and generally -- mostly due to the awesomeness of Arthur Darvill -- I do like him, but sometimes he comes off as a bit whiny and clingy and that's really just no fun. I value independence in relationships, not co-dependence.
"You know what’s dangerous about you? It’s not that you make people take risks, it’s that you make them want to impress you. You make it so they don’t want to let you down. You have no idea how dangerous you make people to themselves when you’re around."
...I'm not sure it makes sense narratively. I mean, how would Rory know that about the Doctor's past and how things have been with his companions? Yes, he can probably extrapolate that being the case for Amy wanting to impress him, but it sounds bigger than that, like he's dropping some big meta on Eleven about the whole Doctor/Companion dynamic.
Hmm.
(Funny, that leap of logic gets quite over-looked in fandom while people can't seem to let go of the Amy-making-a-Star-Whale-and-Time-Lord-comparison. Both are equally problematic in ways, but then I think more people are out there looking for issues with Amy than they are with Rory. But that's a rant for another time.)
And, by the way, speaking of Rory, while I actually like him, he's quite passive-aggressive about the whole kissing incident and generally controlling of Amy in this episode in a way that makes me uncomfortable. I get that he's a bit upset with her over the kiss (which, considering, feels weird coming from a guy who just had a stripper at his stag-night), but the way he handles it is just a bit squicky. He's better by the end though, so that's good. And I want to like him, I do, and generally -- mostly due to the awesomeness of Arthur Darvill -- I do like him, but sometimes he comes off as a bit whiny and clingy and that's really just no fun. I value independence in relationships, not co-dependence.
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Date: 2011-03-28 08:19 pm (UTC)There may be a bit of him feeling as if he also wants to impress the Doctor (because he & the guy w/the laptop whose name escapes me seemed to go through that a bit during the Eleventh hour), but I think it's more so that he just sees how easily the Doctor steers people into that sort of situation/mindset.
As far as the kiss vs. stripper, I think it's more so that it's one thing for Amy to do the kissagram thing as her job, but it's another thing for her to kiss someone else because she wants to. And as far as his stag party, people usually have things thrust upon them by their friends in that situation, so it's probably not like he chose it, whereas he would see Amy choosing to kiss the Doctor which might make him wonder just what's going on in her head/heart when it comes to them (Rory/Amy).
I don't think he was co-dependent so much as he was concerned.
I haven't seen this episode in ages (still trying to breakdown and get the DVDs for a proper re-watch), but from what I remember, I think that's how I read it. ;)